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Awesome op-ed on Mueller in The Hill from a former Bill Clinton advisor

Comey's last stand for the deep state BY MARK PENN, OPINI...
Consuela
  04/15/18
You can't make this up ... here's a 1973 op-ed Penn wrote in...
''''''"'''''
  04/15/18
(logical fallacy master man)
More Than This
  04/15/18
So hes consistent and non-partisan on this issue, thats rare...
Sir Incelot
  04/16/18
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don't run nigga i see you
  04/16/18
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Consuela
  04/16/18
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Hombre 3000
  04/15/18
Excellent editorial.
lawman8
  04/15/18
This is so refreshing to read. Sometimes I think that I've b...
..............;...................
  04/15/18
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michael doodikoff
  04/15/18
it's not normal friend
Don Kihote
  04/15/18
Mark Penn is a lil bitch.
I Listen to Porn Podcasts
  04/15/18
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washed up poaster
  04/15/18
why no mention of michael cohen as rnc fundraising chair get...
MoreDoughHi
  04/15/18
just another partisan reptile hack, TICK TOCK TRUMark Penn s...
don't run nigga i see you
  04/15/18
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Jean Jacques Jingleheimerdood
  04/16/18
180
(gepensioneerd)
  04/15/18
Libs?
Insane right-wing gun nut
  04/15/18
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Consuela
  04/15/18
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racist lance bass
  04/15/18
His career was ruined after the 2008 primary. He probably ha...
''''''"'''''
  04/15/18
Lol his career was ruined because he was just one of the sca...
cannon
  04/15/18
So only one lib response so far?
.;:..;:;.:.;.,,,.,.:,.;;,;;;..;,
  04/15/18
I'm sure libs are preparing a devastating rebuttal
Jean Jacques Jingleheimerdood
  04/16/18
MEGA TREND
I Listen to Porn Podcasts
  04/15/18
Robert "Swan" Mueller is an international joke and...
the gorgon
  04/15/18
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Consuela
  04/15/18
Mark Penn is a legit retard
I Listen to Porn Podcasts
  04/15/18
Looks pretty smart to me https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
Consuela
  04/15/18
Lol how refreshing. Give this man Doug Schoen's FOx News con...
''''''"'''''
  04/15/18
...
lawdads8
  04/15/18
absolutely devastating
More Than This
  04/15/18
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Consuela
  04/15/18
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gibberish
  04/15/18
haha wow holy shit
DrakeMallard
  04/15/18
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Consuela
  04/15/18
*WLMAS takes another hit off the Early Times bottle*
Henry Aaron
  04/15/18
Describe the commenters’ reactions
.;:..;:;.:.;.,,,.,.:,.;;,;;;..;,
  04/15/18
Lol u tards. Mark Penn was responsible for crooked loosing t...
.....................:......:::.......;...........
  04/15/18
Oh wow really interesting and thorough response
.;:..;:;.:.;.,,,.,.:,.;;,;;;..;,
  04/15/18
Great read. WLMAS almost generating liftoff with all the han...
t bone
  04/15/18
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Consuela
  04/15/18
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(gepensioneerd)
  04/16/18
hes completely losing it lol
Sir Incelot
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Insane right-wing gun nut
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Consuela
  04/16/18
180 read and 100% right
Tits on Sticks LLC
  04/16/18
Libs?
Jean Jacques Jingleheimerdood
  04/16/18
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Consuela
  04/16/18
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DrakeMallard
  04/16/18
Lol at this quisling
jared kushner
  04/16/18
tick tock Trumpcucks pepper thine anus
libcrusher180
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Consuela
  04/16/18
i'm not super hyped about the whole collusion angle, but you...
pleasedontsueme
  04/16/18
No one was beating Barry in 2008. There was nothing that cou...
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Date: April 15th, 2018 3:39 PM
Author: Consuela

Comey's last stand for the deep state

BY MARK PENN, OPINION CONTRIBUTOR

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They were among the most powerful men of the last decade. They commanded armies of armed agents, had the ability to bug and wiretap almost anyone, and had virtually unlimited budgets. They were the leadership of the FBI, the CIA and the director of national intelligence under President Obama. Each day, it becomes clearer that they are the real abusers of power in this drama.

The book by former FBI Director James Comey and the daily hyperbolic John Brennan sound bites are perhaps the final reveal of just how much hubris and vitriol they had. Comey's book, according to reports, contains nothing new of legal consequence to Trump (while suggesting that former Attorney General Loretta Lynch has something to worry about), but it unmasks the hatred that Comey had for Donald Trump from the beginning. It impeaches Comey's fitness to have ever held high, nonpartisan office.

Whether you are a Democrat who can't stand Trump, a Hillary Clinton supporter who feels robbed by Comey, or a Trump supporter, any use of wiretapping and vast prosecutorial machinery against our political campaigns and sitting presidents always has to be viewed skeptically and should meet the highest standards of conduct and impartiality. The post-election actions of these former officials makes suspect their actions as officials.

It was, after all, Comey who went to the president during the transition seeking a one-on-one meeting to tell him about the inflammatory dossier, but who critically omitted telling the president that the dossier was a product of the Clinton campaign and the Democratic National Committee. These facts, he knew, if revealed at that moment in January, would have ended further inquiry. This was no effort to inform the president and douse the fires of unverified and salacious information, but one to inflame the president and spread the stories everywhere.

Unlike a murder or a robbery that has a specific trail of facts that can be investigated, Russia collusion is an allegation that could never be disproved. The accusation allowed special counsel Robert Mueller to investigate the entirety of the Trump campaign, every aspect of the presidential transition, and even interview 27 White House aides.

When that did not bear fruit, the special counsel could start looking at every business transaction with Russians or foreigners who knew Russians. After all, collusion could be hiding anywhere - in a speech given years ago, a condo bought a decade ago by an oligarch - so he could search for it everywhere.

The Mueller investigation bears all of the hallmarks of prosecutorial overreach: pre-dawn raids, denial of reasonable bail, threats to prosecute family members, investigations of unrelated business matters. He didn't appropriately subpoena selected transition emails but collected every email in the entire transition without notice, prying them from holdover employees at the General Services Administration.

Even Attorney General Jeff Sessions himself was secretly investigated. This is everything our Constitution and the Bill of Rights were set up to prevent. It's the very reason the independent counsel statute was eliminated. Never again, we said, after wasting a year on the Monica Lewinsky prosecution.

This investigation has now devolved into a full-blown repeat of that 1998 investigation by bleeding over to the personal life of the president. It was wrong then, and it's wrong now. President Clinton was guilty of trying to conceal his affair. John Edwards was guilty of trying to conceal his affair. Donald Trump might well be guilty of the same. The 1998 impeachment verdict and Edwards trial established that trying to criminalize this behavior through perjury traps and strained election-law readings renders a mockery of our justice system, and we rejected it twice.

Moreover, the double standards being applied here are undermining the rule of law. The payments to Fusion GPS and Christopher Steele, the former British spy hired to compile the Trump dossier, were concealed as payments to their attorneys, Perkins Coie, in what experts believe is a clear violation of campaign reporting rules on the use of "cut-outs."

While the Federal Election Commission complaint over millions of dollars of these concealed payments is making its way through administrative channels, the $130,000 payment to a porn star by Trump's lawyer, Michael Cohen, prompted very public search-and-seizure raids. Either both instances should be administrative matters or both should receive raids on their attorneys.

The bank fraud and wire fraud charges being tossed around on Cohen are just prosecutor's tricks. We are talking about Cohen's home equity loan, not the laundering of Panamanian drug money. By the same logic, the undisclosed Perkins Coie payments to Fusion GPS would be money laundering and wire fraud since the payments became illegal when not reported properly.

Perhaps the last straw was the report in the New York Times that Mueller is investigating a $150,000 contribution to the Trump Foundation in exchange for a private video speech given by Trump in 2015, showing just how grasping this investigation has become. This is the same Ukrainian businessman who gave the Clinton Foundation $13 million. Nope, no double standard here.

In addition, many of the moves of the prosecutors have been to generate publicity, not fight crime. Mueller indicted 13 Russians knowing there would never be any trials or questioning of their findings that were little more than a press release. The raid on Cohen was not geared just to get information. It was also a publicity stunt, exactly the opposite of how the Justice Department is supposed to carry out investigations in ways that protect the confidentiality of those under investigation.

The first report from the inspector general of the Justice Department came out Friday and it documents in meticulous detail how the FBI's former deputy director, Andrew McCabe, lied - on audio tape and under oath - denying a role in a self-serving leak that he, in fact, personally managed. His response? He may sue Trump for defamation.

As these deep staters turn into paid talking heads profiting through books, speeches and clicks, they undermine any notion that they acted professionally instead of politically while in office, and the evidence continues to mount that the foundation for turning the country upside down for the last year was most likely two parts politically tinged hubris and one part sketchy evidence.

Mark Penn served as pollster and adviser to President Clinton from 1995 to 2000, including during his impeachment. He is chairman of the Harris Poll and author of the recently released book, "Microtrends Squared."

http://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/383166-comeys-last-stand-for-the-deep-state?amp&__twitter_impression=true

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949979&forum_id=2#35845983)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 11:45 PM
Author: ''''''"'''''

You can't make this up ... here's a 1973 op-ed Penn wrote in the Harvard Crimson bashing Dems who wanted to throw NIXON out of office: http://www.thecrimson.com/article/1973/10/26/impeachbut-with-care-pbtbhe-call-for/

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949979&forum_id=2#35849012)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 11:47 PM
Author: More Than This

(logical fallacy master man)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949979&forum_id=2#35849028)



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Date: April 16th, 2018 9:52 AM
Author: Sir Incelot

So hes consistent and non-partisan on this issue, thats rare.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949979&forum_id=2#35850167)



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Date: April 16th, 2018 9:58 AM
Author: don't run nigga i see you (and icu)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949979&forum_id=2#35850203)



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Date: April 16th, 2018 9:58 AM
Author: Consuela



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949979&forum_id=2#35850204)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 3:40 PM
Author: Hombre 3000



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949979&forum_id=2#35845988)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 3:45 PM
Author: lawman8

Excellent editorial.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949979&forum_id=2#35846014)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 3:47 PM
Author: ..............;...................


This is so refreshing to read. Sometimes I think that I've become a partisan pro-Trump hack because literally EVERYONE ON TV and in life thinks this is all normal.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949979&forum_id=2#35846024)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 3:58 PM
Author: michael doodikoff



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949979&forum_id=2#35846088)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 3:59 PM
Author: Don Kihote

it's not normal friend

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949979&forum_id=2#35846097)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 4:01 PM
Author: I Listen to Porn Podcasts

Mark Penn is a lil bitch.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949979&forum_id=2#35846109)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 11:48 PM
Author: washed up poaster (u$po)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949979&forum_id=2#35849033)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 3:51 PM
Author: MoreDoughHi

why no mention of michael cohen as rnc fundraising chair gets search warrant served, paul ryan's early retirement? these deep staters didn't get power until obama's presidency? is that why we bombed syria despite trump's promises spanning 3 years on twitter alone?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949979&forum_id=2#35846037)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 3:52 PM
Author: don't run nigga i see you (and icu)

just another partisan reptile hack, TICK TOCK TRUMark Penn served as pollster and adviser to President Clinton from 1995 to 2000, including during his impeachment.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949979&forum_id=2#35846045)



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Date: April 16th, 2018 9:53 AM
Author: Jean Jacques Jingleheimerdood



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949979&forum_id=2#35850171)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 3:54 PM
Author: (gepensioneerd)

180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949979&forum_id=2#35846057)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 3:56 PM
Author: Insane right-wing gun nut

Libs?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949979&forum_id=2#35846077)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 3:58 PM
Author: Consuela



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949979&forum_id=2#35846093)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 7:27 PM
Author: racist lance bass



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949979&forum_id=2#35847299)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 7:33 PM
Author: ''''''"'''''

His career was ruined after the 2008 primary. He probably hasn't worked in years. Trump will throw a few polling contracts his way

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949979&forum_id=2#35847343)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 8:29 PM
Author: cannon

Lol his career was ruined because he was just one of the scapegoats for Hillary’s 2008 loss. But libs cannot admit that Hillary was and will always be a SPS candidate

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949979&forum_id=2#35847647)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 11:53 PM
Author: .;:..;:;.:.;.,,,.,.:,.;;,;;;..;,


So only one lib response so far?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949979&forum_id=2#35849064)



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Date: April 16th, 2018 4:23 PM
Author: Jean Jacques Jingleheimerdood

I'm sure libs are preparing a devastating rebuttal

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949979&forum_id=2#35853095)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 4:00 PM
Author: I Listen to Porn Podcasts

MEGA TREND

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949979&forum_id=2#35846106)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 4:07 PM
Author: the gorgon

Robert "Swan" Mueller is an international joke and a national disgrace

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949979&forum_id=2#35846140)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 7:08 PM
Author: Consuela



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949979&forum_id=2#35847161)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 7:09 PM
Author: I Listen to Porn Podcasts

Mark Penn is a legit retard

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949979&forum_id=2#35847170)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 7:11 PM
Author: Consuela

Looks pretty smart to me

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Penn

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949979&forum_id=2#35847185)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 7:14 PM
Author: ''''''"'''''

Lol how refreshing. Give this man Doug Schoen's FOx News contract

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949979&forum_id=2#35847201)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 7:24 PM
Author: lawdads8 (0x122FE543166A7B3f26D5131495083fD653d4CBD2)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949979&forum_id=2#35847281)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 7:34 PM
Author: More Than This

absolutely devastating

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949979&forum_id=2#35847351)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 7:37 PM
Author: Consuela



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949979&forum_id=2#35847373)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 7:43 PM
Author: gibberish



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949979&forum_id=2#35847406)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 7:47 PM
Author: DrakeMallard (Daring Duck of Mystery, Champion of Right)

haha wow holy shit

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949979&forum_id=2#35847425)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 11:27 PM
Author: Consuela



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949979&forum_id=2#35848923)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 7:48 PM
Author: Henry Aaron

*WLMAS takes another hit off the Early Times bottle*

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949979&forum_id=2#35847433)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 11:48 PM
Author: .;:..;:;.:.;.,,,.,.:,.;;,;;;..;,


Describe the commenters’ reactions

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949979&forum_id=2#35849039)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 11:49 PM
Author: .....................:......:::.......;...........


Lol u tards. Mark Penn was responsible for crooked loosing to Obama in 2008. His opinion is worth nothing

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949979&forum_id=2#35849040)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 11:54 PM
Author: .;:..;:;.:.;.,,,.,.:,.;;,;;;..;,


Oh wow really interesting and thorough response

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949979&forum_id=2#35849070)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 11:51 PM
Author: t bone (ggtp)

Great read. WLMAS almost generating liftoff with all the handwaving he's doing to discredit this guy

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949979&forum_id=2#35849048)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 11:58 PM
Author: Consuela



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949979&forum_id=2#35849094)



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Date: April 16th, 2018 2:36 AM
Author: (gepensioneerd)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949979&forum_id=2#35849589)



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Date: April 16th, 2018 9:53 AM
Author: Sir Incelot

hes completely losing it lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949979&forum_id=2#35850174)



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Date: April 16th, 2018 12:33 PM
Author: Insane right-wing gun nut



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949979&forum_id=2#35851204)



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Date: April 16th, 2018 9:40 AM
Author: Consuela



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949979&forum_id=2#35850112)



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Date: April 16th, 2018 9:41 AM
Author: Tits on Sticks LLC

180 read and 100% right

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949979&forum_id=2#35850116)



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Date: April 16th, 2018 9:53 AM
Author: Jean Jacques Jingleheimerdood

Libs?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949979&forum_id=2#35850173)



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Date: April 16th, 2018 9:58 AM
Author: Consuela



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949979&forum_id=2#35850202)



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Date: April 16th, 2018 10:22 AM
Author: DrakeMallard (Daring Duck of Mystery, Champion of Right)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949979&forum_id=2#35850368)



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Date: April 16th, 2018 10:30 AM
Author: jared kushner (HOT on the trail of collusion)

Lol at this quisling

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949979&forum_id=2#35850396)



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Date: April 16th, 2018 10:34 AM
Author: libcrusher180

tick tock Trumpcucks

pepper thine anus

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949979&forum_id=2#35850419)



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Date: April 16th, 2018 12:31 PM
Author: Consuela



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949979&forum_id=2#35851190)



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Date: April 16th, 2018 12:43 PM
Author: pleasedontsueme

i'm not super hyped about the whole collusion angle, but you'd be hard-pressed to find a guy less respected by libs than mark penn. he completely botched hilldawg's campaign in 2008, hasn't worked in years, and is notoriously stupid. smart career move for him. maybe he can get some right wing affirmative action work for this like dershowitz does.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949979&forum_id=2#35851271)



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Date: April 16th, 2018 4:41 PM
Author: Sir Incelot

No one was beating Barry in 2008. There was nothing that could have been done.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949979&forum_id=2#35853240)



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Date: April 16th, 2018 4:21 PM
Author: Consuela



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949979&forum_id=2#35853082)